I can tell you I don’t believe that western media or organisations will ever give accurate information about it, so I don’t buy many of the stories you hear.
what about independent journalists that go there and are restricted from gathering information?
In the interest of getting on the same page therefore, do you think people in the USA/Anglosphere or Europe are in free, functioning democracies?
The people in those places live in places that have had their mechanisms examined and reported on by outside parties, and are seen in various reports and rankings. This similar lack of transparancy in NK is what gives weight to the reports of oppression.
However, the .mlites seem to paint cuba, NK etc with the same “everything is fine here” brush, and I am sick of it.
Both sets of places can have their faults; but I am not the one denying obvious things that have been reported on time and time again.
I just don’t find the argument that an (in all likelihood American or British) almost certainly anti-communist organisation writing a report about their political enemy proves anything about their level of democracy or lack thereof very compelling. Especially if those same organisations rate a system in which ordinary people have almost zero influence as being somehow more democratic. Again, I’m not saying those countries are perfectly democratic. But in my opinion these reports are pretty much worthless. Agree to disagree I guess.
But in my opinion these reports are pretty much worthless
the reports of random people that go on holiday to north korea and are forbidden to take pictures of anything not in the potempkin village set up for them are worthless?
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what about independent journalists that go there and are restricted from gathering information?
The people in those places live in places that have had their mechanisms examined and reported on by outside parties, and are seen in various reports and rankings. This similar lack of transparancy in NK is what gives weight to the reports of oppression.
However, the .mlites seem to paint cuba, NK etc with the same “everything is fine here” brush, and I am sick of it.
Both sets of places can have their faults; but I am not the one denying obvious things that have been reported on time and time again.
I just don’t find the argument that an (in all likelihood American or British) almost certainly anti-communist organisation writing a report about their political enemy proves anything about their level of democracy or lack thereof very compelling. Especially if those same organisations rate a system in which ordinary people have almost zero influence as being somehow more democratic. Again, I’m not saying those countries are perfectly democratic. But in my opinion these reports are pretty much worthless. Agree to disagree I guess.
the reports of random people that go on holiday to north korea and are forbidden to take pictures of anything not in the potempkin village set up for them are worthless?
Alright, have a
niceday.