Being a simp for a multi billion dollar company is never a good thing. It’s not good for you as a consumer and, frankly, is just incredibly cringe.
No, it’s not, the main point of the lawsuit is that Steam does not let game Devs sell their game for cheaper on any other platform.
So if you don’t like that Steam takes a massive 30% cut of your sales so that Gabe can buy his 27th mega-yatch, and you decide to also put your game on another platform that takes a fairer, smaller cut, then chose to pass on those savings to the consumer, then valve will kick you off the platform and you’ll lose access to by far the biggest market in PC gaming.
Fuck valve and fuck you brain dead fanboys simping for a billionaire and making everything worse for the rest of us because your entire worldview comes from memes.
A steam key is the receipt that you paid for the game. It is ridiculous that companies get to skirt laws by saying, “It’s on a computer.”
Imagine you buy a car. Years later you go to resell it for less and the manufacture claims you can’t because the sales receipt that proves you are the legitimate owner is a “Steam Cars Inc key” and therefore all existing laws do not apply.
Yeah that’s not what they’re preventing. It’s to stop someone with rights to generate keys, i.e. the developer, from generating a lot of Steam keys and then selling them on their own site at a discount, which is basically leeching off of the Steam infrastructure & ecosystem while sidestepping the storefront. Which is fine as long as they don’t undercut.
The EULA for any software you’ve ever paid for is what forbids resale.
Again that is a separate issue from the no undercutting clause. Prohibition of resale is ubiquitous in the software world because for decades the ploy has been to sell you a license, not an actual product.
Of course I’d love that to change but it’s a core precept of how digital ownership works and has worked for most of it’s existence. Steam is not the main force behind that.
So you genuinely, seriously think the only reason I support this is because I have some random obsession with the person running the lawsuit, and nothing to do with wanting better right for consumers?
What “better right for consumers” are you advocating for? The false claim that Steam bars anyone on their platform from selling cheaper is easily proven false by looking at any of the numerous websites that track prices of games from various storefronts and is the key point used by Epic’s legal team to try to garner support to break up steam in order to gain market share themselves and make the industry markedly worse.
Your post is thinly veiled “Valve bad, give money to Epic instead”, whether you realize it or not. So what is your plan to make the industry actually better?
I think you’re caught up in some weird fanboy shit I didnt even realise existed.
If it’s not true then let the courts decide that. If you’re right great, but if the lawsuit goes through, then it’s better for consumers.
Also steam being broken up isn’t at all on the cards here so idk why you’re even bringing it up? It’s a UK court, they don’t have the power to do that to an American company. Nor is it even in the scope of the suit.
Wrong topic but I feel the same about online age verification. All my friends and family and everyone I know say it’s good for the children and I’m here like wtf
This is a very narrow viewpoint that is borderline disingenuous.
You blame OP for being a simp, BECAUSE OF A MEME, then argue the plaintiff’s narrative without any critical breakdown or context.
You are not any better.
There is a lot of nuance here that you just ignore.
Valve is not using their resources to prevent/undermine competition.
Valve’s percentage is absolutely worthy of debate, but does not make them a monopoly.
I will state that I support Valve when it comes to the big releases, but definitely wish they tiered their fees to support smaller developers.
I get why they do it, but I wish they were a bit friendlier to the smaller developers
If the other companies used a platform that was even remotely close to the ease of use as Steam, I might feel differently, but they don’t
I have lost access to several titles because of these companies’ “competing” platforms.
Valve provides a service that is critical and beneficial. And in a way that these other companies seem incapable or unwilling to provide.
They are not preventing them from doing it in any way.
They just don’t want to get undercut on products that use their service. That is a valid argument.
Maybe if other companies didn’t create such bloated, underperforming crapware,
they wouldn’t feel forced to use Steam.
And smaller developers aside, these companies already suck so much money out of the user/buyer as they can and are not passing that revenue to the actual software developer, while Valve does share its revenue with its employees, despite your claim that Gabe is buying his “27th yacht”.
The argument that valve has a monopoly because their platform is just so amazing and all the others is trash is exactly the simping behaviour I’m talking about.
If steam wasn’t already considered the default and valve didn’t have this insane cult of personality around Gabe Newell, steam would be considered mostly on par with other providers.
We as consumers let valve get away with so much bullshit because of “omg lord gaben and his summer sales! My wallet isn’t ready XD” types.
Like valve had to be sued into have a returns policy, they popularised predatory loot box mechanics and pushed an entire gambling based economy on children and made ludicrous amounts of money from it, popularised early access and asset flip slop, caved to the whole MasterCard censorship campaign
So even though I’ve lost access to multiple titles because other software companies can’t get their shit together and were a terrible experience, I’m not allowed to use that as an example of why Valve has become the standard?
But any argument against your opinion is “simping”.
Do you even hear yourself?
What you are doing is a form of manipulation and gaslighting.
Those things Valve was sued over were also industry standard practices.
Your argument is awash with emotional outbursts which tells the real story here.
You’ve picked a side for one reason or another and just make bad arguments, trying to support it.
Show me a single game company, of that size, that HASN’T been sued. Since that seems to be your metric of what makes a company so evil.
So even though I’ve lost access to multiple titles because other software companies can’t get their shit together and were a terrible experience, I’m not allowed to use that as an example of why Valve has become the standard?
I’ve lost access to titles on steam.
But any argument against your opinion is “simping”.
Again not what I said. I’m saying that people ignoring all the negative shit valve has done and continues to do out of pure fanboyism, are simps.
What you are doing is a form of manipulation and gaslighting.
You are both hilariously overdramatic and just deranged.
Those things Valve was sued over were also industry standard practices.
Nope. And this is what I was talking about, you can’t even say “yeah that was a shitty thing valve did” you instead have to fervently defend every shitty practice anyway you can to protect your favourite multi billion dollar company.
Your argument is awash with emotional outbursts which tells the real story here.
Projecting in 4k. Or is yelling that I’m “”“gaslighting”“” you by saying Valve isn’t a good company just pure cold logic, lol.
Show me a single game company, of that size, that HASN’T been sued. Since that seems to be your metric of what makes a company so evil.
My guy. Are you honestly illiterate? Or are you so hopped up on fanboyism that it’s altering your basic perceptions of reality?
Either way I’m done wasting my time listening you do this.
If I wanted to spend my time interacting with people like you, wanting to argue over disrespecting your lord Gaben, I would have gone to Reddit.
no it’s not! i have bought games off other services and even from the devs own web site because it was cheaper. you just can’t sell STEAM KEYS which use steams service for cheaper then what it’s sold for in stream.
Being a simp for a multi billion dollar company is never a good thing. It’s not good for you as a consumer and, frankly, is just incredibly cringe.
No, it’s not, the main point of the lawsuit is that Steam does not let game Devs sell their game for cheaper on any other platform.
So if you don’t like that Steam takes a massive 30% cut of your sales so that Gabe can buy his 27th mega-yatch, and you decide to also put your game on another platform that takes a fairer, smaller cut, then chose to pass on those savings to the consumer, then valve will kick you off the platform and you’ll lose access to by far the biggest market in PC gaming.
Fuck valve and fuck you brain dead fanboys simping for a billionaire and making everything worse for the rest of us because your entire worldview comes from memes.
2 is false. It only applies to steam keys.
A steam key is the receipt that you paid for the game. It is ridiculous that companies get to skirt laws by saying, “It’s on a computer.”
Imagine you buy a car. Years later you go to resell it for less and the manufacture claims you can’t because the sales receipt that proves you are the legitimate owner is a “Steam Cars Inc key” and therefore all existing laws do not apply.
Yeah that’s not what they’re preventing. It’s to stop someone with rights to generate keys, i.e. the developer, from generating a lot of Steam keys and then selling them on their own site at a discount, which is basically leeching off of the Steam infrastructure & ecosystem while sidestepping the storefront. Which is fine as long as they don’t undercut.
The EULA for any software you’ve ever paid for is what forbids resale.
If it was only about developers then consumers could have the right to resell their game at whatever price they wanted.
EU countries wouldn’t have to sue Steam for consumer rights:
https://blog.igv.com/steam-freedom-equality-and-game-resale-steam-vs-france/
Again that is a separate issue from the no undercutting clause. Prohibition of resale is ubiquitous in the software world because for decades the ploy has been to sell you a license, not an actual product.
Of course I’d love that to change but it’s a core precept of how digital ownership works and has worked for most of it’s existence. Steam is not the main force behind that.
You’re just simping for a different billionaire out here regurgitating Tim Sweeney’s talking points verbatim…
Supporting consumer rights is basically the exact opposite of simping for billionaires actually.
True, which is why it is so easy to tell which one you are doing. :)
So you genuinely, seriously think the only reason I support this is because I have some random obsession with the person running the lawsuit, and nothing to do with wanting better right for consumers?
What “better right for consumers” are you advocating for? The false claim that Steam bars anyone on their platform from selling cheaper is easily proven false by looking at any of the numerous websites that track prices of games from various storefronts and is the key point used by Epic’s legal team to try to garner support to break up steam in order to gain market share themselves and make the industry markedly worse.
Your post is thinly veiled “Valve bad, give money to Epic instead”, whether you realize it or not. So what is your plan to make the industry actually better?
I literally never even mentioned epic???
I think you’re caught up in some weird fanboy shit I didnt even realise existed.
If it’s not true then let the courts decide that. If you’re right great, but if the lawsuit goes through, then it’s better for consumers.
Also steam being broken up isn’t at all on the cards here so idk why you’re even bringing it up? It’s a UK court, they don’t have the power to do that to an American company. Nor is it even in the scope of the suit.
Wrong topic but I feel the same about online age verification. All my friends and family and everyone I know say it’s good for the children and I’m here like wtf
Those are the same ppl that don’t give a fuck about the files I bet.
This is a very narrow viewpoint that is borderline disingenuous.
You blame OP for being a simp, BECAUSE OF A MEME, then argue the plaintiff’s narrative without any critical breakdown or context.
You are not any better.
There is a lot of nuance here that you just ignore.
Valve is not using their resources to prevent/undermine competition.
Valve’s percentage is absolutely worthy of debate, but does not make them a monopoly.
I will state that I support Valve when it comes to the big releases, but definitely wish they tiered their fees to support smaller developers.
I get why they do it, but I wish they were a bit friendlier to the smaller developers
If the other companies used a platform that was even remotely close to the ease of use as Steam, I might feel differently, but they don’t
I have lost access to several titles because of these companies’ “competing” platforms.
Valve provides a service that is critical and beneficial. And in a way that these other companies seem incapable or unwilling to provide.
They are not preventing them from doing it in any way.
They just don’t want to get undercut on products that use their service. That is a valid argument.
Maybe if other companies didn’t create such bloated, underperforming crapware, they wouldn’t feel forced to use Steam.
And smaller developers aside, these companies already suck so much money out of the user/buyer as they can and are not passing that revenue to the actual software developer, while Valve does share its revenue with its employees, despite your claim that Gabe is buying his “27th yacht”.
The argument that valve has a monopoly because their platform is just so amazing and all the others is trash is exactly the simping behaviour I’m talking about.
If steam wasn’t already considered the default and valve didn’t have this insane cult of personality around Gabe Newell, steam would be considered mostly on par with other providers.
We as consumers let valve get away with so much bullshit because of “omg lord gaben and his summer sales! My wallet isn’t ready XD” types.
Like valve had to be sued into have a returns policy, they popularised predatory loot box mechanics and pushed an entire gambling based economy on children and made ludicrous amounts of money from it, popularised early access and asset flip slop, caved to the whole MasterCard censorship campaign
So my experience accounts for nothing?
So even though I’ve lost access to multiple titles because other software companies can’t get their shit together and were a terrible experience, I’m not allowed to use that as an example of why Valve has become the standard?
But any argument against your opinion is “simping”.
Do you even hear yourself?
What you are doing is a form of manipulation and gaslighting.
Those things Valve was sued over were also industry standard practices.
Your argument is awash with emotional outbursts which tells the real story here.
You’ve picked a side for one reason or another and just make bad arguments, trying to support it.
Show me a single game company, of that size, that HASN’T been sued. Since that seems to be your metric of what makes a company so evil.
No, hence why I never said that.
I’ve lost access to titles on steam.
Again not what I said. I’m saying that people ignoring all the negative shit valve has done and continues to do out of pure fanboyism, are simps.
You are both hilariously overdramatic and just deranged.
Nope. And this is what I was talking about, you can’t even say “yeah that was a shitty thing valve did” you instead have to fervently defend every shitty practice anyway you can to protect your favourite multi billion dollar company.
Projecting in 4k. Or is yelling that I’m “”“gaslighting”“” you by saying Valve isn’t a good company just pure cold logic, lol.
My guy. Are you honestly illiterate? Or are you so hopped up on fanboyism that it’s altering your basic perceptions of reality?
Either way I’m done wasting my time listening you do this.
If I wanted to spend my time interacting with people like you, wanting to argue over disrespecting your lord Gaben, I would have gone to Reddit.
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This is accurate and the fact that so few feel this way, really does provide clues as to why the USA has become suck an evil monster.
no it’s not! i have bought games off other services and even from the devs own web site because it was cheaper. you just can’t sell STEAM KEYS which use steams service for cheaper then what it’s sold for in stream.
It’s exactly what Amazon does. Super easy to get around by offering different versions.
I doubt they win against Steam since all of ecommerce does this and Steam is not the worst.
If they do win that would imply Amazon needs to comply and that would be amazing so no way that’s happening.