It’s very funny to blame “communist propaganda” when all my schooling was from a capitalist perspective. I never even knew what communism was until I searched for alternatives because of being dissatisfied with the existing system.
It was working minimum wage jobs while studying economics that made me a communist. Because the math of the myths of capitalism doesn’t work.
It’s one reason I laugh whenever some libertarian tells me I need to learn basic econ - because buddy, I learned basic, advanced, and I usually know your theory better than you do. It’s why I know it’s dogshit.
If you think communism is a solution to your problems, you’re dead wrong. You’ve been told things you wanted to hear, not the truth how communist state looks like in real life.
“Been told” lol. I’m reminded of back in high school when I told my parents I thought gay people should have rights and they responded “who’s putting these ideas into your head?” It is, in fact, possible for me to come to conclusions on my own.
I remember my father telling me how he miraculously managed to get permit to leave the country in the 80s to work in capitalist Europe. He returned with insane fortune of like, $500, which he later spent on paying off mortgage when system fell apart in the 90s.
It’s tragic that your family had to spend that money on a mortgage because the state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing collapsed. Fucking capitalism, amirite?
state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing
You weren’t getting any housing in that system. You could enlist in a queue and wait for 20-30 years to get piss poor commie block apartment. My father was one of very few people who were just well enough for building a house. He was struggling with money, rationing of materials, corruption and poor quality of work, while our family of four lived in 20m2 apartment like animals in stables.
Funny enough, I recently bought a house for relatives in Belgrade.
Like East Germany, the most desirable buildings currently are those commie block apartments (known in Yugoslavia as “army buildings”). Because they were built well and to be used, not just as cheaply as possible to make the quick buck.
while our family of four lived in 20m2 apartment like animals in stables.
How many square meters do you think the vast population of working homeless in the US (ostensibly the richest capitalist country) have?
Or do you want to discuss the current homeownership rate in China?
I like how you completely disregarded an account by someone who actually lived under the system you’re shlupping and immediatley attacked his character. Kinda like how christians react when you tell them Jesus wasn’t real, or Ivermectin won’t stop covid.
Just remarkable similarity.
Weird, I actually live in the system I want to change, but I guess my experiences don’t mean anything, and I should just listen to some random internet stranger about it.
Some of us base our opinions on facts and reason. Is there any actual source on “having to wait 20-30 years for a house?” Or am I just expected to accept that claim completely uncritically?
I can’t help but notice how negative claims about communist societies are placed in this special category where expressing any sort of skepticism about them is seen as somehow morally wrong. It reminds me a lot of how questioning the religion I was raised with was seen as wrong, demonstrating a lack of faith. I’m sorry that I don’t have enough blind faith in capitalism for you and keep blaspheming against your dogma.
Dogshit healthcare being decades behind that in the west/
free education to the highest level
Education was dogshit lacking the basic necessities, in building falling apart.
guaranteed job
Most jobs were completely unnecessary. They provided nothing of value.
heavily subsidized foodstuffs
Rationed. Not subsidized. You couldn’t just go and buy a fucking bread, or a bar of chocolate, or sugar, or flour, or a washing machine, or TV or a car. Your money was almost worthless. Food stamps were worth more than the money you paid for the food. If you manage to be super lucky and get permit to buy a new car, you could resell it immediately for 2x or even 3x of nominal price. and it wasn’t a good car, it was this piece of shit.
It’s actually funny that this ‘wonderful’ system couldn’t design their own car, and had to resort into buying a design license for utterly outdated modified fiat 500 from filthy capitalist Italy.
0% inflation over a span of 40 years
FUCKING LIES. Check the black market dollar value to see the actual scale of inflation that was happening.
Transformation just uncovered all the lies and sins of previous communist system. Once state run enterprises were allowed to file banktruptcy 30% of them failed immediately. Country was also hit by hyperinflation like a hammer because previous system was printing money like crazy and “fixing” it by price controls and food rationing.
No, that’s what had made me a liberal before lol.
It’s very funny to blame “communist propaganda” when all my schooling was from a capitalist perspective. I never even knew what communism was until I searched for alternatives because of being dissatisfied with the existing system.
Heh I was a teenage Ayn Rand fan.
It was working minimum wage jobs while studying economics that made me a communist. Because the math of the myths of capitalism doesn’t work.
It’s one reason I laugh whenever some libertarian tells me I need to learn basic econ - because buddy, I learned basic, advanced, and I usually know your theory better than you do. It’s why I know it’s dogshit.
If you think communism is a solution to your problems, you’re dead wrong. You’ve been told things you wanted to hear, not the truth how communist state looks like in real life.
“Been told” lol. I’m reminded of back in high school when I told my parents I thought gay people should have rights and they responded “who’s putting these ideas into your head?” It is, in fact, possible for me to come to conclusions on my own.
I remember my father telling me how he miraculously managed to get permit to leave the country in the 80s to work in capitalist Europe. He returned with insane fortune of like, $500, which he later spent on paying off mortgage when system fell apart in the 90s.
It’s tragic that your family had to spend that money on a mortgage because the state that provided free (or heavily subsidized) housing collapsed. Fucking capitalism, amirite?
You weren’t getting any housing in that system. You could enlist in a queue and wait for 20-30 years to get piss poor commie block apartment. My father was one of very few people who were just well enough for building a house. He was struggling with money, rationing of materials, corruption and poor quality of work, while our family of four lived in 20m2 apartment like animals in stables.
Funny enough, I recently bought a house for relatives in Belgrade.
Like East Germany, the most desirable buildings currently are those commie block apartments (known in Yugoslavia as “army buildings”). Because they were built well and to be used, not just as cheaply as possible to make the quick buck.
How many square meters do you think the vast population of working homeless in the US (ostensibly the richest capitalist country) have?
Or do you want to discuss the current homeownership rate in China?
Oh no, the free housing isn’t fast enough or big enough, oh no, it looks so drab oh no
What did capitalism do for you? How long do you have to wait now to spend 3% of your income on housing instead of 30%+?
I like how you completely disregarded an account by someone who actually lived under the system you’re shlupping and immediatley attacked his character. Kinda like how christians react when you tell them Jesus wasn’t real, or Ivermectin won’t stop covid.
Just remarkable similarity.
Weird, I actually live in the system I want to change, but I guess my experiences don’t mean anything, and I should just listen to some random internet stranger about it.
Some of us base our opinions on facts and reason. Is there any actual source on “having to wait 20-30 years for a house?” Or am I just expected to accept that claim completely uncritically?
I can’t help but notice how negative claims about communist societies are placed in this special category where expressing any sort of skepticism about them is seen as somehow morally wrong. It reminds me a lot of how questioning the religion I was raised with was seen as wrong, demonstrating a lack of faith. I’m sorry that I don’t have enough blind faith in capitalism for you and keep blaspheming against your dogma.
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No. They’re so poor that $500 looks like a fortune
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Dogshit healthcare being decades behind that in the west/
Education was dogshit lacking the basic necessities, in building falling apart.
Most jobs were completely unnecessary. They provided nothing of value.
Rationed. Not subsidized. You couldn’t just go and buy a fucking bread, or a bar of chocolate, or sugar, or flour, or a washing machine, or TV or a car. Your money was almost worthless. Food stamps were worth more than the money you paid for the food. If you manage to be super lucky and get permit to buy a new car, you could resell it immediately for 2x or even 3x of nominal price. and it wasn’t a good car, it was this piece of shit.
It’s actually funny that this ‘wonderful’ system couldn’t design their own car, and had to resort into buying a design license for utterly outdated modified fiat 500 from filthy capitalist Italy.
FUCKING LIES. Check the black market dollar value to see the actual scale of inflation that was happening.
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So he spent all of it on the failings of capitalism in the 90s?
Transformation just uncovered all the lies and sins of previous communist system. Once state run enterprises were allowed to file banktruptcy 30% of them failed immediately. Country was also hit by hyperinflation like a hammer because previous system was printing money like crazy and “fixing” it by price controls and food rationing.
Funny, I grew up by the Mexican border. Want to know how hard it is to get a permit to work in the US?
And what do capitalist states look like in real life for those not in the 0.1%?
Meh economically, while still enjoying nice things like criticizing the government.
You don’t read the news much, eh?
To a distressing degree, but your question wasn’t for just for anyone in the bottom 99.9% of people to actually answer honestly, eh?
I’m not going to worry about what argumentative capitalist goons would consider to be honest.
OK bud, you have a good one!
Was i supposed to put any effort into your bad faith argument? You didn’t.