So, I hate to be that guy, but the dems get a chance every 4 years or so, and yet here we are. It seems that the democratic leaderships of the past haven’t really prevented the slow and continuous slide to fascism. And please do note that every dem president and candidate is more right wing than the previous ones. They’re sliding too.

He’s not saying that.

That would be a weird thing to say indeed. No one’s saying that though.

You know what bombs do? They kill people, indiscriminately, especially when you throw them on desnsely populated civilian centers that you’ve driven 100s of thousands of refugees into. They don’t defend against “terrorist” attacks on your occupied soil, they only serve to invite more. What are you going to tell me next, “muh human shields”? Fuck off.

Because they always argue in bad faith based on a surface level reading of headlines. It’s always the same story. I see a “tankie” citing research, statistics, historical texts on one side, and on the other I see someone like you, floundering. It’s embarrassing, and a waste of time, because you’re not in this in good faith. You never really engage with the arguments. So what’s the point?

There is not a single good bomb thrown by Israel in history, just like Russia hasn’t thrown a good bomb in the history of the Ukraine conflict. The reasoning is exactly the same. Israel, like Russia, is the aggressor, the occupier in this conflict, since its very inception. It’s very clear from your comments that you don’t read history, and it would serve you well to be less confident about the things you clearly don’t really know about.

So there never was a terrorist threat to Israeli citizens?

Mask off moment. Never argue with a liberal, it’s a complete waste of time

War crimes are only bad if the bad guy does them. NATO is a good guy.

This is just absolutely wild to me. Just true unfiltered insanity. The democrats literally sent 50B in military aid to a nation that is literally committing a genocide, and if someone complains about this your reactions to effectively say “geeze complain much?”. I truly, fundamentally, do not understand how a human can have that response. It just does not compute. The only thing I can think of is that you actually don’t believe there is a genocide, or that the democrats didn’t fund it. But that too seems so far fetched, because these are both so easy to verify. None of it adds up

Exactly! Which is why moving right every cycle has proved to be such a winning strategy for the democrats! Finally someone talks sense.

Lovely how not actively supporting and funding a genocide is a purity test now. Beautiful stuff.

Elections are not the time and place for democracy, that’s some tankie shit. If you want to make your voice heard, do it any other time. Not during elections. It’s just not right.

Go out and pressure the DNC to not be shit

How about you go out and draw the rest of the owl there? The main power we have is our right to vote, and you’re saying we shouldn’t use that to pressure the DNC to put forth a pro-worker anti-war candidate.

The time to protest vote is in the primaries.

There were primaries?

I take issue with your use of the adjective “good” in “good cop”.

I largely agree with what you’re saying, but I think the idea that Israel was established because of Hitler is not entirely accurate (and not entirely wron either).

First off, zionism was conceived as a solution to the rampant antisemitism in Europe (not just Germany), well before Hitler even left elementary school. It was intended to be a colonial project, so they looked for the help of colonial powers like the Ottomans and the UK. They ended up choosing Palestine as a good location, and the UK (which was occupying Palestine at the time) formally agreed to an establishment of a Jewish state in Palestine, already in 1917 (Balfour declaration). At this point, Hitler was in the trenches of WWI, and no one had even really heard of him, so it is unlikely that he was a factor in the drawing up and signing of the Balfour declaration.

Secondly, the first wave of jewish colonizers (30k ish) arrived between 1881 and 1903. This is around the time Hitler was born, and I’m willing to bet he didn’t play a big part in them moving. They were fleeing the pogroms.

Until then, the local arab and jewish Palestinians had been co-existing in relative peace, as regular neighbors. The arrival of the jewish colonizers led to a cycle of violence of colonizers attacking the natives and vice versa. This culminated in the forming of jewish terrorist groups Irgun, Hagana, Lehi, and others, which carried out bombings, murders, and sabotage. A famous example is the Deir Yassin massacre, where Hagana killed 100-200 Palestinian villagers. Near the end of WWII, these terrorist groups were also increasingly attacking the British, seeking the establishment of an independent jewish state.

It was this context in which resolution 181 was drafted, in 1947. Of course, the holocaust was a major factor in its adoption, but the resolution itself was a direct response to the violent conflict between the jewish colonizers and the native population, and the insurgency of the colonizers against the British.

Next, I’m not entirely in agreement with the idea that Israel became the madman. As you can see from the terrorist groups I mentioned, the colonizers were already violent even before the eatablishment of Israel. After the establishment, it immediately became much worse.

Upon its creation, Israel was given 55% of the land despite making up only 33% of the population. As a result, a large portion of the native population had to be removed. They did this by destroying entire villages, about 500 of them, and carrying out numerous massacres. About 700k Palestinians were removed from the region. There’s a technical term for this: “ethnic cleansing”

For the next 75 years, Israel would continue the violence against the Palestinian population. Notable events were the 1967 war, which resulted in the ethnic cleansing of close to another 500k Palestinians, the Sabra Shatilla massacre, where 3500 refugees were murdered in one night, the break-their-bones policy which involved rhe whole scale torture of protestors, and so on.

There has never been a point in time where Israel was not a violent aggressor. The only difference today is that it’s harder to hide on account of social media.

Man 1946 was wild

No no bro bro listen

No bro just roll over and take it bro pls I’m telling you

I feel like you’re a bit too emotionally involved. It’s just a cartoon, calm down.

Anyway, to clarify my comment, which I thought was brief and to the point enough that it was easy to grasp, but apparently not for you: I don’t think there’s anything wrong with covering current events or lampooning stuff. The way south park does this is sanctimonious and smug, to the point where I find it a bit hard to watch.