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Depending on your pov, the US has always been in its nazi phase. Ask the natives or people of color.
So much so that the US inspired the Nazis
Germans borrowed it from us, rode it hard, and then cleaned it off hoping that we wouldn’t remember that they still had it.
But then we saw it sitting in the corner and offered to help them fix it up. They said nah, let’s just forget about it. We said that we really wanted to fix it and that it would be a fun project to work on together. They told us to take our drunk asses home, so we got mad and dragged it back home.
But here we are! We’ve got it back and we finally fixed it! Now we’re practicing donuts while the tech crew is building the ramp. We keep talking about how we’re gonna do the biggest jump ever with a triple backflip, and everyone said that we’re gonna chicken out. The extra-concerning part is that we never bothered with a landing ramp.
Nah man, we’re gonna jump this thing straight into the stadium seats. We’re revving that engine and y’all better hope that we loosened the nuts enough for the wheels to fall off, or that the sugar people are putting in the gas tank works so that we crash out halfway.
Especially those idiots who paid extra for front row seats.
then cleaned it off hoping that we wouldn’t remember that they still had it
They said nah, let’s just forget about it.
Except Germany has a rather unique culture of remembrance about it. I’ll never forget the school trip to the Bergen-Belsen memorial site, that historical video where they used shovel loaders to push hundreds of corpses in mass graves which we just stood in front of is permanently engraved in my head. This culture is one of the reasons US Jews who once fled from Germany, or their descendants, are now increasingly getting out of the US and regain german citizenship through Article 116 of our constitution with a simple letter to the Embassy (usually followed by an apology letter including an invitation from said Embassy). It’s quite the irony.
i’ve always been conflicted because germany clearly seemed to be really all in on the culture of remembrance thing but then stuff like what happened to philipp auerbach in “reformed” germany and a ton of nazis joining nato and the tolerance of afd makes me reconsider
Hmmm good point that shows a couple of the numerous flaws in my analogy, so allow me to use mental gymnastics to support my analogy.
Germany continues teaching how it was used and the dangers of anyone using it. They’re not pretending like they never used it, they’re just hoping that by hiding it under a tarp and only showing the damages it caused will prevent anyone from peeking under the tarp and going, “you sure? It looks pretty cool, still.”
I am half tempted to research my family tree and see if Germany would take me. But I am too poor to move, and…well, I kinda want my homeland to not suck. If my blood can help the tree of liberty…well, maybe I can overcome cowardice and fight.
Cannot know who I really am, until the call for enlistment has arrived.
Actually, today’s Germany is quite happy to take anyone with some sort of qualification, no matter your family tree. If you are Jewish or not, that won’t really make a difference to immigration requirements, as far as I know.
However, there is quite a bit of antisemitism going on in the Muslim communities, I’m afraid. As a German I’m really proud that our country is so open and welcoming to refugees and immigrants, but unfortunately people don’t just drop all of their own prejudices when crossing the border.
Also, the rise of the extremist AfD party is a very worrying development. These Nazi thugs basically want to copy Trump’s policies and they also want Germany to leave the EU. If they somehow get voted into power, you would definitely regret having moved here.
Fascism is just capitalism in crisis, imperial boomerang shit.
It’s just visible now to Americans now that the guns are being turned inward
nazis literally based the design of the holocaust on the american genocides and reservation system.
they taught the nazis how to nazi.
they just arent as subtle about it anymore.
jim crow laws/segregation, is what nazi took from the americans.
That’s a lot of learning from the British Empire too then.
And from that other moustached Austrian/German, Ed Bernays, on how to sell the genocide to the public. Top “advertising or marketing” [“crystalizing public opinion”/“manufacturing consent”] you got there, USA.
Yeah, the British invented concentration camps. Or at least used them in the Boer wars, I guess they probably weren’t the first to gather people in camps to deal with some portion of them running a resistance.
The Nazi innovation was the gas chambers.
The Nazi innovation was the gas chambers.
And quite a silly one.
They already had Ed Bernays style mass indoctrination methods… why bother getting people on trains to gas chambers [nor even the gas chambers on the trains], when you could just have them decide to make their own way to injection centers…
Much more cost efficient, on both the state’s transport costs, and the costs of the poison.
/dark.
:(
What do you mean “enter”? The entire country is built upon genocide and slavery.
You do recognize that things are different than they were a few years ago, right?
When? There was genocide under biden, under obama, under clinton, under reagan, under kennedy not to mention the rehabilitation of top nazis generals and scientists into nato and nasa
There was genocide under biden, under obama, under clinton, under reagan, under kennedy
(Citation needed)
The palestinian genocide for instance has been ongoing since 1948 (and before, but 1948 is of course where it kicked into overdrice) and all the US presidents are complicit in not just aiding it via material and political means, but they could have stopped it because “iSSrael” functionally ceases to exist the moment yankeeland decides to pull the plug.
The genocide of the indigenous americans is ongoing since before the inception of the liberal regime as it’s own entity. It continues to this day by excluding natives from healthcare, confining them to reserves while simultaneously restricting their access to public infrastructure. Indigenous people needing yankee education in order to gain employment and various other restrictions that get justified in a liberal framework, but practically further the erosion of indigenous culture.
There are various genocides across the world carried out by the yankee stormtroopers more directly in places like Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Libya and some more indirectly by aiding terrorist groups and regimes like saudi arabia, al-qaeda, various african terrorist orgs meant to destabilise the region and break it open for western exploitation.
Summary : there are genocides being done somewhere else by someone else, must be the fault of the President of the USA.
Americans did genocide the native people of this continent. Must be Obama’s fault in 2008.
Summary : there are genocides being done somewhere else by someone else, must be the fault of the President of the USA and somehow USA still sells arms to someone in somewhere else because business is business.
We only sell the guns (even to terrorist organizations), tanks and military jets, so… we are not responsible for the guns being used for bad things…
We sell guns to a lot of people. Should we be the world police and say what they can do with the stuff they bought from us? How do you feel about the US limiting the range and targets of the HIMARS systems we sent to Ukraine early in the war?
For the record, I absolutely agree that any aid provided by the USA to Israel should be conditional, and we should severely limit the types of weapons and systems sent there.
What did Obama do to stop it? You do understand the indigenous genocide is ongoing right? What did Obama do to stop the genocide of the palestinians? You understand that anything pissrael does can be blamed on the yanks because they’re the ones bankrolling and arming this so-called “country”?
How does this keep happening: https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2013/sep/20/kuhner-how-obama-arms-al-qaeda/
And yes any genocide on this globe that has been carried out for almost the last 100 years has been done with yanKKKee weapons. Where do these terrorists keep getting the funding, the arms?? Why is it that the countries these terrorists keep terrorising end up as US vassals?
Ah yes, an opinion piece written by a notably not histrionic or atangonist little right wing radio commentator who became a US citizen in (checks notes) 2016, Jeff Kuhner.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Kuhner
You should definitely read the articles and consider the source before you post them as fact.
Yes, they are objectively worse now.
Wait till you learn where the nazis got the idea for concentration camps from…
and actual concentration camps during ww2 in america
Or the nuremberg laws. The american version was too strict (one drop rule) they went with a relaxed version.
Googling “one drop rule”
They’re talking about “invisible blackness”. These people were fucking insane.
entering? we were alway in the nazi phase, they were just figuring how to make it look appealable for decades. us is the most right wing of all western countries, thats why nazis from other countries flock to the states.
🔫👨🚀”always has been”
Awww, we’be been sliding for over 40 years.
And now they arrived
Just looked this up recently.
estimate populate of the new world right before Columbus: 50-100 mil
Estimate population of Europe at the same time: 60 mil.
Granted it was mostly due to disease, but to Europeans that was just a happy accident.
And unlike nazi Germany, the colonists didn’t do a 180 after a decade or so, they kept that shit going until today.
The most recent estimates are between 2.5 and 7 million people in the area now covered by the US and Canada. The areas further south were a lot more populated.
interestingly, the descendants of native americans in the US today are still around the same number (3% of US population or about 10 million) which is largely because of industrial agriculture -> more food
The nazi didn’t “do a 180” out of good will. They were forced to stop. In America we see what happens when there is no one to stop them.
europe did lose 25+mil from the plague.
Entering the realization phase that the US is a Nazi.
Realizing that the Nazis were inspired by the USA.
I’d say it’s more of its neoconfederate phase. Turns out leaving a seditious rotten core as part of your government isn’t a good idea. But hey, at least you are now indivisible with fascism.
Next they’ll start enslaving people and giving out infected blankets to drive tribes off the land.
And then they’ll start putting the American Japanese in internment camps!
And sponsoring military coups to overthrow democracies.
They already enslaved people, you can read about prison labor.
Entering? To enter, you must be outside…
america was birthed from proto-nazi ideas.
The only people still visiting the U.S. are ones that regret not being around to participate in the Third Reich so badly that they want to watch and support the Fourth Reich rising.
I’m sorry but the third reich meant the third german empire y’all have to start counting from one you can’t just steal other peoples work
Sorry, the U.S. can (and does) steal absolutely anything it wants. Land, lives, resources, technology.
Always has, always will.
Or they’re too poor to move to another country???
They said “visiting.”
Thank you kind, literate stranger.
was long nazi phase. [see OSS>CIA]
just malignant metastasising now.
good. now it’s bad enough to see, to evoke deploying remedies.
we are in a lot of trouble (and long have been ~ less so now that we know). we can still mend this.
It would be nice if it wasnt concurrent with the climate crisis, but what can you do?
Things relate more than most realize.
I dont argue against relations, I think differentiation sharpens your argument.
Sure there are relations between Mussolini and Hitler, both are facists, but only Hitler was a Nazi.
There are also relations between capitalism and facism, still they are not the same thing.
(Same goes for left politics, Marx and Stalin where both communists, but a Marxist is still different from a Stalinist)
Hitler was a Nazi.
Worth unpicking a little of the Orwellian contortion of language that goes along with that. While “Nazi”'s generally will understood now, for what it historically is, what’s less well understood in some places, is that “Nazi”'s derived from “national socialism”, and from there we can critique what was (and what some still try to promote), was not (and is not) either nationalist, nor socialist. It was expansionist and domineering (among many other suitable descriptors (supremacist, jingoist, hegemonic, totalitarian, eugenicist, etc)). All quite the contrary to being nationalist, or socialist.
And, quite the example of the danger of the name changers. We’re fortunate to have seen Hitler for the rotter he was, and to have seen how rotten “Nazism” is, but I still wonder how much goodness (baby) got thrown out with the newspeak inversion and conflation (bathwater).
Similar to how Marx usurped the word “communist” (used by anarchists for at least 5 years before Marx took it) and handed it over to tankies and totalitarians, and the Cold War’s authoritarian Right, were only too eager to carry on the mislabeling of totalitarianism as communism, in their McCarthyian RedScare. One side of authoritarianism using “communism” as their pleasant sounding rebrand, the other side of authoritarianism happy to misuse the term too, to make “real communism” (anarcho-communism) unappealing, in being confused with the authoritarian ilk.
… How much of this then goes back to geography and crops… or secret societies and plots… There’s so many more cans of worms to explore.
I just thought that a good time to remind ourselves of the context. … & not all communists are totalitarians. (Arguably none are, if seeing through the Orwellian mislabelling.)
Oh I know it’s connected, I simply lament it
Build an Orgone Accumulator.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pllRW9wETzw [<- a Kate Bush song, hinting loudly]
The concurrency, is an intriguing clue, for the curious minded researcher. In how far back it goes.
Maybe I am nitpicking here, but as a German the difference of facists and Nazis is an important one to make. Every Nazi is a facist, not every facist is a Nazi.
Nazis see themself in the tradition of the NSDAP, facists dont necessarily do.
I dont think the biden or Obama administration where in tradition of Hitler, even if there were facist tendencies long ago. I think trump, Vance etc. Are really acting in tradition of the specific German facists, the NSDAP and Hitler.
Yup. Good to point out the “all nazis are fascist, not all fascist are nazi” distinction logic. Thanks.
I kept trying to warn people, that merely moving “left” from the more purely corporatist fascism we are currently under, does not bring us to a better place. The “greater good” start getting served with totalitarian atrocities all the more, moving from a more Pinochet place to a more Hitler place. We have to get more freedom back too, in at least equal measure…
“We are convinced that liberty without socialism is privilege, injustice; and that socialism without liberty is slavery and brutality.” – Mikhail Bakunin
I dont think the biden or Obama administration where in tradition of Hitler
True but they was supporting the terrorist state of israel who is acting like nazis since it’s creation
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The genocide couldn’t happen without the USA support and the wedt in General. Even Russia and China are complicit. In this case the associate of the criminal charges is as serious as the one who commited the crimes
Zionism is similar to nazim they are both supermasist ideologies . Zionists leaders has the same goddamn rhetoric as Nazis and use similar terrorism acts and tactics. Stop whitewashing Zionism. Just because Nazism main target are jews and zionism main target is palestinians it doesn’t mean they are not similar. Similariry do not equals identity
Ever wonder why America likes to go to war so much? Check out who benefits from the manufacture and sale of armaments. It’s a straight line.
Ever wonder why America likes to go to war so much?
Years ago I read a good chunk of the “Discourses on the First Decade of Titus Livius” by Machiavelli. At the beginning he discusses where and how you should establish Rome, and what are the consequences of those choices. Tldr from what I remember, he says that if you want to have a populace that’s always willing to fight in aggressive wars:
- your plebs should be poor, but not starving. Too rich and they get lazy, too poor and they’ll only care about survival, but if you hit the right mark they’ll never be satisfied and can be easily persuaded to go to war for money
- your citizens should be armed and trained to use weapons
- you should support immigration in order to always have fuel for the war machine
- use religion to enforce obedinece and discipline
- the state should be rich so it can fund the wars
- encourage controlled class conflict (plebe tribune Vs senate) in order to limit both groups, and so the armed plebs can blow off steam instead of getting revolutionary ideas
- take care to always have an external enemy, or an internal one will appear
- don’t over reach when expanding your territories or you won’t be able to manage all of it
