4chan: take the black pill, you will never get to be an anime girl
reality: is an actual anime girl
It’s incredible to me that 4chan can pull the most racist, sexist, and homophobic dregs of our society AND the sweetest, nicest, softest uwu trans folks. Why would the latter want to hang out in a place where the former wants them dead??
let’s be honest, a lot of those softest nicest uwu trans folk on 4chan are also massively racist and transphobic, and it goes beyond self hatred too
they despise and mock anyone who’s not passing, gender conforming, straight, and white
Its a type of self harm in my opinion. So the same reasons for other types would apply.
Yeah the contrapoints video where she talks about when she used to be in places like that makes that pretty clear to me. Most trans spaces online have rules about aggressive self hating and especially against encouraging/reinforcing reasons of others in their self hating. 4chan does not, it is a place to wallow in “cleansing” self hatred.
it kinda feels nice to be called a slur tbh. Live in fear of it IRL but to see people just losing their shit and them not being able to do anything about other than scream it is really nice.
Granted, im talking about toxic vrchat lobbies and not 4chan but I imagine it kinda carries over.
edit: perfect example here, it’s SO FUCKING FUNNY to see the rage in this guy’s head over absolutely nothing
though i doubt this is serious but there are people who actually act like this. I got called a foid yesterday which means I pass enough even the incels can’t tell the difference 😘
I have no idea what that screenshot is even saying. Which reminds me of the first time someone British called me a “wanker” and expected it to hurt me, but I just laughed. A word with no meaning to the listener holds no power over them.
I trust you’re interpreting those comments correctly, but if they’re raging I’m sure not picking up on it. 😅
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I also think that it’s about getting attention, adjacent to what you’re saying, even it’s shitty. They’re definitely not invisible in that space.
Because of freedom. To speak the authentic doubts without censorship or reprecussion.
not sure, tbh - but I think they keep to separate corners and the freedom to post problematic stuff is probably a major motivation - a /tttt/ or 4tran kind of community isn’t welcome in most online trans spaces (whether Lemmy or Reddit) because the mainstream trans culture (at least online) is hostile to the enbyphobia, the toxicity & criticism of trans subcultures, the excessive and unchecked brainworms, the DIY surgeries, etc. that go are common in these communities.
DIY surgeries
O.o I love surgery
DIY surgery? The only one I can think of being feasible on your own would be an orchi. What are they doin over there?
yes, there was actually a recent case of someone posting about their DIY orchi in a 4tran community on Reddit - I think they were in Europe.
But regardless, the 4tran community seems to talk about and “support” DIY surgery to an extent other trans communities tend to either not or actively suppress, at least from my experiences in online trans communities. It’s not like the community is delusional about the risks, but there is a respect for people who go through with it, and a tendency within the community to share resources on how to go about DIY surgeries like that.
I’ve also seen trans men express frustration with their situation and inability to go through with a DIY orchi the way trans women would be able to, etc. - again, interactions I’m not seeing as much elsewhere.
In general, 4chan is more “id” and these sorts of topics that would be taboo elsewhere are free to find expression.
I mean tbf, respect from me too to those that do DIY surgery. it still seems crazy risky though.
Bottom surgery is so expensive sometimes DIY is the only choice. I think folks that do DIY surgery are heroes. They’re showing the government what the consequences are. That the dysphoria is worse than the pain.
Maybe they haven’t heard of Lemmy yet.
They did and they weren’t allowed on here 💔
iirc there is actually a 4tran lemmy instance, but it’s not federated with anyone
probably for the better tbh
Tech won’t save us, but we sure could make a great start by, say, submerging 20 carefully chosen server racks in pickle juice.
/tttt/ is incredibly self destructive. Like, I’m sympathetic to the core emotion that a lot of freshly out trans people are cringe about it, but their cringe is the price of self discovery, of experimentation, and authenticity in a difficult and awkward stage of relearning who you are and who you can be. /tttt/ is a hub of people so fearing being cringe that they forget to live and to learn to be authentic (something I too once struggled with). And in a great irony it too is cringe, while the cringe of unabashed self expression and experimentation contains the seeds of coolness.
In short, I’m glad they’re touching grass.
yeah, I don’t know who thinks /tttt/ isn’t cringe, lol
I tend to think of it more as a kind of black-pill space where people congregate to bond over their shared misery, social alienation, gender dysphoria, etc.
I think their hatred of others is symptomatic of their self-loathing more than anything.
I’ve never been in that particular pit, as I don’t experience gender dysphoria in my assigned gender, but I recognise the shape of the pit based on other experiences being hopeless. Giving into one’s hopelessness can be an odd comfort sometimes. If you believe that this is it for you and it can’t ever get better, then you’re protected from the pain of hoping for more. Sometimes you hope for more and you work ridiculously hard to make it happen, but it still doesn’t feel enough to make you want to live. The prospect of that is so scary that resigning oneself to misery feels safer.
When I was very low, I resented people who were happier than me (which was most people) because they disrupted the worldview I’d built where there was no point in trying. Or alternatively, I resented them because I viewed them as being ontologically different to me — people who were born with the capacity to be happy, whereas people like me had no choice to stew in misery.
What sucks is that I did have a choice about a lot of things, but I didn’t have a choice about the systemic oppression that pushed me down that pit in the first place. I’m doing a lot better now, and I don’t feel like I’m in a pit anymore (besides the ultra wide pit of “suffering under late stage capitalism”, but at least I’m in good company). To get to this point, I need to be able to acknowledge that I was both powerless and powerful in my own life. I feel sad whenever I see /tttt/ and other cult-like doomer cultures because I really sympathise.
Love the pink hair
She’s cute AND a Lain enjoyer. What a W
