• birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
    19·
    3 days ago

    i know it’s a meme, but “man” originally meant something like -person (though that was like 1,000 years ago).

    that said, how about these

    firefighter
    mailhander
    fisher
    bootlicker
    spokesperson
    garbager

  • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
    2710·
    3 days ago

    I always find it extra funny when some communist (or themed account) calls police bootlicker.

    Like, not implying the police not being bootlickers in most countries here, but of the countries where authoritarians are / were good at licking boots communist’ ones sure as hell are prominent in the top 10.

    • lugal@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      25·
      3 days ago

      communist (or themed account)

      What do you mean by this? There are many accounts here on Lemmy who defend authoritarian countries but scrolling through OPs posts, I don’t see any that would fit the description.

      Communist is a word that can mean anything at this point so please be a little more precise and maybe backup your argument.

    • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
      122·
      3 days ago

      What do you mean. We had communism for 60,000 years here in Australia and we didn’t need cops at all until the white people came and started doing slavery. The cops were for catching slaves.

      • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
        2·
        2 days ago

        We had communism for 60,000 years here in Australia

        Lol, that’s a new one. Surely you have extraordinary proof for that absolutely wild claim. :D

        • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
          11·
          2 days ago

          Bill Stanner was a 20th century anthropologist who worked with Aboriginal people. He was also pretty racist, but let’s acknowledge and move past that, and have a look at what he has to say about Aboriginal economics:

          The Blacks did not fight over land. There were no wars or invasions to seize territory. They did not enslave each other. There is no class division. There is no property or income inequality.

          That’s communism, as Russel Ward pointed out. I’m currently studying Indigenous Knowledges and the economy that My teachers describe before colonisation is communism. But I figured you’d believe an old white guy better than Me.

          • Natanox@discuss.tchncs.deEnglish
            3·
            2 days ago

            I’ve read up a little bit about it, fascinating indeed. Although one could argue that it sounds more like anarchism, and that apparently there indeed were groups that had various kinds of class division / hierarchy (age, gender, status etc). Aspects found in Communism and Anarchism seemingly were most prominent though. I guess my view on it is tainted by what I unfortunately see most (which is glorification of the USSR, Mao Zedong, Cuba etc. - unfortunately way too many of those nutjobs are running around in Germany’s CCC as well). Now that I think about it I remember how euro-centric as fuck school history class was… So thanks for the insight.

            Old white guy with name and face is still an upgrade over “random person on the internet”. For all I know you could be an LLM (no offense).

            • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
              11·
              2 days ago

              According to the anarchist philosophers, anarchism and communism are the same thing. According to the marxist philosophers, marxism and ccommunism are the same thing. The USSR and China are marxist, so marxism is the version of communism you’re gonna have more familiarity with.

              Let Me explain the Marxist vision of history real quick: According to Marx, humanity began in tribes practicing “primitive communism”, like the First Australians and specifically the Iroquois of North America did. Then came cities, and with them, kings. This was the age of feudalism, when all power was concentrated in the hands of tyrants. Marx lived in the aftermath of the French revolution, a period when Europe was transitioning from feudalism to capitalism. He saw that change happening around him, and theorised that it was a natural, inevitable progression. He then tried to imagine what the future would be like, based on the past two transitions. He thus imagined two more transitions: first, the workers would rise up against the owning class and take over the government for themselves, creating what Marx called socialism, “the dictatorship of the proletariat”. A fair society where the workers use the state apparatus to ensure equality and plenty for all. And finally, the state would become unnecessary and “wither away”, leaving humanity with a idyllic communism akin to primitive communism, but with the benefits of modern science and technology. And not to sound like a broken record, but this is pretty racist with the way it portrays the new world Indigenous peoples as less developed than europeans. Marx was a big fan of the Darwinian, linear theory of evolution, and he wanted to chart and predict the evolution of civilisation, so he saw the Iroquois as evidence of europe’s evolutionary past.

              Anyway, the USSR were marxists. They claimed to have a communist ideology, but they never claimed to have a communist economy. They claimed to have Marx’s socialist economy; the transition period between capitalism and communism. They styled themselves as Marx’s “dictatorship of the proletariat”, and they said their plan was to ensure equality and prosperity for all, and then simply wither away over the next hundred years. That was the propaganda.

              It was America who called the Soviet economy communist. Because they had a growing movement of communists at home, and they wanted a propaganda tool to accuse their home-grown left-wing radicals of being foreign spies. Thus increasing their own control.

    • freeman@feddit.orgEnglish
      9·
      3 days ago

      its because america spent years to confuse socialist/democratic/leftist… with the overarching evil and ominous communist (red scare)

      so even the “left” thinking people confuse it

      • Grail@multiverse.soulism.netEnglish
        6·
        3 days ago

        Isn’t communism a classless, stateless, moneyless gift economy?

        And wasn’t the USSR the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics? As in, socialism (so-called), not communism?

  • Zamboni_Driver@lemmy.caEnglish
    5·
    3 days ago

    How are police the bootlickers? Police are the bootwear-ers. They lick their own boots?

    Those who support the fascist actions of the police are the bootlickers…

  • YappyMonotheist@lemmy.worldEnglish
    83·
    3 days ago

    I’ve met female taxi drivers, female security guards, one female builder even, but I’ve never met a “garbage woman”. Maybe the nasty smell is just too potent? Women do have very strong noses. 🤔

    • lugal@sopuli.xyzEnglish
      9·
      3 days ago

      You wouldn’t find the others a few decades ago and people came up with reasons why. Turns out they were wrong so maybe your reason is wrong as well.

    • Klear@piefed.worldEnglish
      101·
      3 days ago

      I’ve met a garbage woman once. She didn’t work in waste disposal though.

    • Peppycito@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      They exist, I lady a garbage lady for a while. My sister in law is head of collections for a large city. She doesn’t actually touch the garbage though.

    • cRazi_man@europe.pubEnglish
      3·
      3 days ago

      I’ve seen a couple in the UK. Driving the trucks and loading garbage bins onto the truck. Here they don’t have to carry the garbage, they roll the bin into position behind the truck. Still physically demanding, but not quite like carrying heavy garbage bags all day.

    • thiscat@lemmy.blahaj.zoneEnglish
      44·
      3 days ago

      i assume it’s because it’s a job that requires a lot of manual labor something that would be hard for most woman since weaker muscles

      • Gladaed@feddit.orgEnglish
        71·
        3 days ago

        Endurance tasks tend to be more suited towards women and you are supposed to not overload your garbage bins. Woman can be tough and a lot of men aren’t. I would expect stigma and expectations to be a bigger driver of gender imbalance.

        A lot of people do report increased sensitivity to smell when switching to an estrogen dominated hormone balance, so there is that.