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    I was pretty disgusted with the first movie she was in. The original wonder woman movie.

    She was this super powered killing machine just WASTING humans left and right. Just seemed insanely fucked up.

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    kal-el no? thats probably her best line. she probably got nepo her way into hollywood, her acting is bad as the rock, and rock has his political leanings quite questionable too. probably shoe-horned into hollywood as a cheerleader back home.

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    Enemy combatant status is not defined by age or organisation association, but skin color…

    /S

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      The Boys is also Zio slop, Frenchy was an IOF soldier (war criminal settler terrorist) who bragged about ripping a child away from her family.

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        The shit your mom cooks is slop. Cancer-inducing, low-end brain rot that’d make Nestlè blush. This 'cuisine is what mostly kept your degenerate incestuous ‘extended family “alive”’. For all these long years.

        When you’re not eating each other, of course, fucking each other. Or both.

        Eventually, we’ll burn all ya’ll alive and dance on the fucking ashes. One day, Fuck-face.

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          lmfao I don’t think I’ve seen a comment like this on the internet since like 2012 maybe

          bruh hit me with a “your mom” loooool

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        Well then, this explains a lot.

        Israeli zionosts seem to have a case of Mel Gibson syndrome… They seem extremely violent, and they like to make violent ass movies and shows.

        I’m not a prude, I watch violent stuff, but wonder woman and the boys are just… Too far. Like, you can tell they’re a little too fucked up.

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          I don’t know or care who either of those people are lol

          If you employ a Zionazi soldier in your show, I’m not watching it. It also got to be a bit shit later on anyway.

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              “edgy is when not wanting to watch war criminals on TV” - liberal lobotomite, probably

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                You’re what we’d call mentally ill. You might want to try to do something about that before you hurt someone. Or you know, be the next evening entertainment for your dictator. The best thing he knows is when they scrape people like you off the pavement riddled with bullets.

                Go on, be all you can be. Maybe even take an SS agent or two with ya to …well yeah . Why give that fat fuck the satisfaction?

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                If this person is sincere, I’m a happily soil grown finnish communist turnip in spring 1941.

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            Wow so staunch. What if someone served in the US armed forces and then became an actor? Would you never watch that show? Genuinely curious

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              My grandfarther served twice against the Russians and once again against the fucking nazis.

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              Possibly. Probably depends if they saw active duty and their attitude about their service.

              But let’s improve your weak premise a little: if they served in the US military and bragged about ripping children away from their family like the IOF shitstain in question did, I would absolutely never watch that show.

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        It’s funny because shortly after I read that somewhere else in a lemmy comment, they

        Warning, The Boys final season spoiler

        killed his character. Lol.

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        So, because a single, secondary actor (who got killed off) has a dark past, the entire franchise (that’s all about reconciling with darks pasts) is ruined?

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          Yes.

          They also tried conflating criticism of the Zionazi ideology as being some weird MAGA fringe attitude.

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            Oy gevalt … OK, I may be an idiot for entertaining this… Conjuncture… but, I’m also pretty open minded, and this is the time where we need to listen to a lot of new voices

            Go on now. Explain exactly what you mean by this. Start from the beginning, and ELI5. I’m listening

            And if you expect me to take you seriously, include references from reliable sources.

            Edit: you can dispense with the anti-Zionism bullshit. Yes I understand. Israel is committing a genocide against Palestine (and currently Lebanon) and all that. Just because I’m a Jew doesn’t mean I’m a Zionist. Let’s move on from that point.

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              I stopped watching the garbage show and am clearly not half as emotionally invested in it as you are, so I don’t recall specifically. I just remember there was one line in the show, iirc by the Nazi lady, which implied that anti-Zionism is akin to some MAGA mentality. It was the only time Zionism was ever specifically mentioned in the show so it shouldn’t be that hard for you to find if you care that much.

              I never accused you of being a Zionist and don’t care what your ethnicity is (in terms of being discriminatory), deep breaths lol

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                Please… It’s not others job to find references for you. If you fail to reference something, that is your cape. We should not normalize outsourcing of referencing.

                lets have good conversation ettiquette

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                  I really don’t care if you believe me about a specific reference pertaining to a garbage show that hired a settler-terrorist for their cast.

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    There’s a scene in one of the DC movies where a german sniper is hiding ontop of a church in a french village

    Ever the pillar of restraint and decorum, Wonder Woman takes down the entire fucking church to kill this one soldier.

    It’s a scene so over the top with needless destruction of a beautiful historical landmark, and you wonder what the filmmakers were trying to say with it.

    Edit: https://youtu.be/BWuafJtMrBE&t=195

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      This is pretty silly. Superhero movies constantly feature superheroes and supervillains causing mass property damage. Superman will be thrown through buildings. Cars will be used as throwing weapons, etc.

      It’s a deliberate cinematic choice. Superheroes just flying in the sky punching each other doesn’t convey the power involved in these characters. No, if you want to portray superheroes in a way that actually feels real to people, you need to show them interacting with our ordinary world. You show them treating things we experience as solid, indestructible, and immobile as mere tissue paper.

      This is just “show, don’t tell.” Sure, you could have some character verbally explain that “Superman has the strength of a million men!”, but if all you saw was Superman fighting in a cloud or an empty field, that wouldn’t really mean much. You can’t feel it. Watch Superman casually pick up a skyscraper, and suddenly your mind can actually grasp the scale of his power.

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        I hear you whilst defending superman in the sense that, he’s either chucked through a populated building against his will to highlight the monstrosity of his assailants, or he chucks buildings with the implication that they’re empty.

        In this WW scene, it’s shown to be a populated church. It just rings odd for me w.r.t to these unwritten rules of hollywood destruction that Im hyperfixated on

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          Christopher Reeves’s Superman was quite upstanding tbh.

          Also the Actor was quite upstanding on it’s own right, he did a lot of activism for my country (chile) to be free, he fought against Pinochet in multiple occasions, like when the regime death threatened the actors guild, he came here so all the worlds eyes would point here and shield them, and he also gave his endorsement to the Chilean democratic opposition who ended up defeating Pinochet and bringing democracy back.

          In a sence, Superman defeated Pinochet and brought democracy back to chile.

          He was awarded the highest honour the Chilean govt can award a few years before his death.

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          Populated by a soldier, in a war zone. This wasn’t a puppy and kitten caretaker nunnery on cute orphans visiting day.

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            she’s an immortal goddess, who shouldn’t relish in the destruction of mortals who were handed a gun at a young age and pushed to a front line for a creed they likely don’t give two actual shits about

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              she’s an immortal goddess

              Something she didn’t know at the time. Also, rather a lot of her training was in how to wage war.

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      I watched it just now and it’s just generic action movie slop? Do you get your panties in a twist when they destroy NYC landmarks in Avengers movies? It was just Nazis shooting at the good guys and them beating them in a fight.

      This is so funny and emblematic of the way you people think. In this dumb movie, they are being shot at, and you wanted the character to not fight back because she needs to preserve the architecture? In the exact same way, you think real Jewish people should lay down and die if Palestinians get mad at them. Stunning

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      Hollywood is fully integrated into the military-industrial complex. Inflicting disproportional damage on the population of whoever the enemy is is how The Great US Empire wages war. So that is what the population at home is meant to support. So that is what is shown to the young, easy to influence generations.

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        i mean they are the copaganda/militaryganda arm of the MIC. Transformers is pretty much all militaryganda and very little actual robots action.

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        Indeed, Hollywood make the directors of the “Wochenschau” (june 1940 to March 1945) look like kindergartners and they learned from them too.

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        I know. It is indeed a wonder when a film like Parasite slips under their radar, and they suddenly have to scramble to make sure the director doesn’t get too direct with their messaging in their next film

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          They make one movie with easy to digest anti-elite themes for every dozen that promotes competition between the working class, has libertarian undertones, or otherwise reinforces the status quo. How many Hollywood heroes promote the status quo vs challenge the status quo?

          Also, Parasite is a South Korean movie, which makes it even weirder. SK is way deeper in late stage capitalism than the US if you can believe it. When Samsung alone accounts for 23% of their gdp, something’s wrong.

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      and you wonder what the filmmakers were trying to say with it

      No deeper meaning, just action.

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        Then put a whole battalion up there or something, make it clear that she cleared out a whole sniper nest, not just one guy

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          They already had that scene three minutes earlier into the movie, and unfortunately execs think that if you repeat something then you lose interest from your audience and thus can lose shekels.

          Curiously enough, “repeating plot points and previous information that can be inferred without being told” is exempted from this issue, so there we go, characters re-explaining obvious plot points at every turn.

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      I mean, the easy answer is all Hollywood action movies contain gratuitous destruction for the sake of visual interest.

      It was honestly my first thought as a kid: “Oh my god! That guy’s food stall was completely destroyed by that car! What will he do now? Is there anyone he can call to get it replaced?”

      The simpler answer is to accept cinema violence is a childish thoughtless moment anyway, and we shouldn’t compare it too much to real life. But in Gadot’s case, I suppose gratuitous destruction fits very much with her home country’s philosophy.

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        I think that’s the one thing they got right unfortunately, in real life armies (usually) don’t risk soldiers trying to locate and kill a sniper, they just use things like artillery, missiles, or tanks.

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        “Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar.”

        But as I’m learning lately as I get settled in on Lemmy, some people here will take any opportunity to stretch things to their soapbox.

        Now if you’ll excuse me, I’m off to defend myself against the accusation from a mod that I’m anti-socialist because I said the USSR wasn’t perfect.

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      One should not ever wonder what the writers of Wonder Woman movies were thinking.

      If that one is what bothering you, consider yourself lucky and move on.

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          If you enable the subtitles, it says Flemish.

          Took another listen:

          “Hebde da gezien”

          “Wa is er gebeurd?”

          “Hebde da gezien, wa zij gedaan heeft?”

          It’s perfect dialect, which surprises me, but after this it seems to devolve into gibberish. I can’t make too much out of it, besides French being thrown in, which for our country is, again, spot on, since we are divided bilingually.

          “Veld” also means “field”. it’s such a generic name to give a town, but plausible.

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          some people ask questions they can google because they want to be part of the conversation and be social

          if you dont want to answer the question, it wasn’t for you

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        Blind support of Israel, served in the IDF.

        I’m sure there’s more, but I never liked any movie she was in so never bothered to learn more.

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          Don’t forget she lied that her family is 8th generation Israeli and that she’s indigenous to the land. Outrageous lie to state especially since it’s public that all her grandparents are foreign from Palestine also.

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              I think by “foreign from Palestine” they mean that her grandparents were not from the land of Palestine (sometimes improperly referred to, in part, as “Pissrael”)

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          During the pandemic she noticed no one was paying attention to her so she sung imagine and made her ego everyone’s problem.

          Which isn’t the worst thing she’s done, but it adds to her unlike-ability.

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          served in the idf

          Not that this affects your conclusion, she was a conscript, like every Israeli.

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            You can choose to sit in Jail instead, lots of Israeli youth do. you always have a choice not to join a genocidal army.

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              I compare it to nazi Germany. I don’t really condemn Germans who served in the armed forces rather than be punished for draft evasion. There were soldiers who just fought as they were told to and without doing anything clearly immoral or illegal - not all we’re out there murdering Jews or civilians, or executing prisoners, or whatever. Same with Israelis. It takes a lot of courage to go to prison by active choice, and I don’t think it’s reasonable to condemn people for not having that courage unless the alternative was themselves taking part in war crimes.

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                “Just following orders” does not hold up in court today nor did it hold up in the Nuremberg trials.

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                  That is a quote about clearly illegal orders, which I specifically treated differently in my comment.

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                While I’d say conscripts are easier to forgive than volunteer forces, they are still culpable. They offsetting the suffering they’d endure in prison onto other people, with which their respective fascistic armed forces are targeting. I’m more understanding of their position but they are still guilty.

                Also, while the individual soldier may have themselves not conducted any crimes, by serving in a fascist military, you are still aiding them in committing crimes. By providing gains for that military through your service, it gives the force more opportunity and power to commit atrocities.

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                This is so beside the point but I was thinking about how conscription in the US wouldn’t work. A huge majority of people would either be unfit or just say no and there would be so many young people in jail the economy would grind to a halt. I love that for us

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        She’s not terrible she’s just a random actress with charm and beauty. The people who are always yelping about palestine will convince you she’s a war criminal. Like her if you want or don’t

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    Why I don’t celebrity worship, because not only meeting one’s idols is a bad idea, but also the possibility of them betraying.